Old 07-01-2006, 11:37 PM

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Ahknaton i understood that evola is only attacking a specific paganism, not paganism as a whole.

This is a fascinating and excellent article, and as an Hellene (which, technically, is "neopaganism") I can from personal experience say that Evola's diagnosis is right on the money.

I can't give exact percentages, but the numbers of modern neopagans who have nothing to do with the beliefs or practices of the Ancients whatsoever, but have arrogated to themselves the name 'pagan' are quite high. They are very eager to make themselves over into whatever they imagine Christianity's "opposite" might be, and as Evola points out, Christians created a fanstasy paganism over the centuries, a bogeyman. All of the lies that Evola lists: that paganism is about sexual libertinage, or has no trancendent element, or any moral code, or is the "worship of Nature" are now, somewhere, somebody's new dogma.

I am very proud to say that Hellenes and Asatru vocally broke with and denounced the attempt by Wiccans and related groups to relabel the neo-pagan movements "Earth based religions". So there is an awareness in modern pagan groups of the two paths Evola describes: one genuinely trancendent, initiatory, and concerned with virtue, the other telluric, lunar, libertine, and non-transcendent (even anti-transcendent in some especially apalling cases).

A good rule of thumb: a group that calls itself neopagan is probably toiling under the illusions that Evola describes. They are the final victims of Christianity and Judaism, people whose birthright has been stolen from them by Christian lies. They believe they are fleeing Christianity, when they are simply fleeing from one set of Christian lies to another. Their situation is truly tragic.

Groups that do not suffer from this illusion, and do not seek to avoid either trancendence or the practice of virtue, generally deem themselves (currently) as Reconstructionists. They are generally more serious minded, on the whole.

I will address the 'viability' of these Reconstructionsist groups in a later post, but would add that the bane of 'neopaganism' is in fact a natural sequela of centuries of Christian lying, which has had pernicious effects on our Culture. Neopaganism is simply a group of spiritual lost souls who have moved from the belief in the Church's collection of Big Lies to belief in a collection of the Church's littler lies. That they have at any time left an ideological field of mendacious concoctions of the Galileans is simply untrue.

As I have said elsewhere, Christ destroys the conscience first, and devours the intellect at his leisure.

Wintermute

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07-03-2006, 02:26 PM

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Paganism is not going to come back in glory, your bookish, artificial little club-movements nonwithstanding.

This is very likely, Petr. The bloodthirsty mania your religion has caused in Europeans has reduced their numbers, culled their most intelligent and best, and has at all times acted to preserve the Jews, with which it is now co-operating. You have secured our doom and now wish only not to be called out.

I'm not a pagan because I think it's going to magically undo all the fatal wounds you've inflicted on European Man. I'm a pagan because I intend to face my fate with open eyes and not with a mind polluted by filthy, anti-Western, pro-Jewish crap which is all that Christianity ever was except when it was lying about itself.

Many excerpts were given from the both books of the Bible to this end, which neither your or jcs will grapple with honestly. You go to your deaths as betrayers and slaves.

However, I will see what I can do, between now and my death, to name the disease and its collaborators as effectively as I can.

I would say I'm doing a fair job on this thread.

In fact, I'm declaring it Miller Time. I'm off to lunch.

Ta,

WM

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07-18-2006, 01:25 AM

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In fact you may remember the one text I posted at OD from a pagan perspective on this issue. I dont know, perhaps WM would be interested in reading it.

The point here is that Petr's source says:

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"no real pagan is an opponent of Christ. No, a real pagan doesn't even notice Jesus, but continues his life as if He didn't even exist."

Hypatia was killed by Cyril for the large numbers of conversions she effected among Christians. Was she not a "real Pagan"?

Julian became a living symbol of pagan regeneration whose example inspired Westerners from the Renaissance to the modern day: he inveighed against Christians in his famous "Against the Galileans"? Was he not a "real Pagan"?

Celsus pointed out dozens of elementary errors in Christianity, as well as larger philosophical stumbling blocks. Was he not a "real Pagan"?

Porhyry's "Against the Christians", burned by the Church (they seem to have gotten all of them) ran to fifteen volumes. He was regarded by the Early Church as unanswerable, hence the burnings. His devastating attack on the pseduepigraphal nature of the book of Daniel and its dating is still accepted today. Was he not a "real Pagan"?

Petr is lying by using an argument he can't explain and doesn't understand.

If Julian, Hypatia, Celsus, and Porphry are not "real Pagans", who is?

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Some pagans have directed attacks at Christianity, and still do today. Hell Id even argue that attacking Christianity is a mainstay of much of the pagan movement today, which is a somewhat pathetic IMHO.

It is pathetic. We're like a hospital that takes your castoffs, the people you've spiritually mutilated with your Jewish evil and Jewish nonsense, a falsehood that no man of decent blood can take into his heart without either splitting his mind or succumbing to evil.

As I have said, the bulk of the population get along by using their natural theology and ignoring the Bible when it becomes inconvenient.

At any rate, we attempt to provide healing and re-connection to the Divine for those your murder-cult has spiritually mutilated. So, yes, it is a sad, pathetic situation.

Why am I not suprised by a man who loves his Church and not God, would have no care for those so harmed by the dogmas he affirms constantly?

WM

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